NewsPhil Collins / Face Value deluxe edition to be released in 2015
Phil Collins‘ 1981 album Face Value will be reissued this autumn as a deluxe edition, heralding the start of a new global catalog deal with Warner Music Group.
The new partnership will encompass newly remastered deluxe editions of all eight Phil Collins studio albums as well as other “uniquely curated titles from the vaults”.
It remains to be seen how ambitious the reissues will be and if we will see multi-disc super deluxe edition box sets or cheaper, more compact two or three disc sets. Collins’ 1993 album Both Sides will be released alongside Face Value in 2015.
This announcement echoes the Press Release from April last year where Warner Bros. Records excitedly informed the world about their ‘new agreement’ with Prince that would “see the release of long-awaited, previously unheard material”. We’re still waiting…
I think it’s fair to say that working with Mr Collins will be more straightforward than His Purpleness and so we look forward to seeing how these new reissues pan out. Leave a comment and let SDE know your preferred format/content when it comes to Phil Collins reissues.
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The Warner remasters have already had a web release on HDTracks, so those (like me) who prefer hi-res audio, like SACD or DVD-A, should download those. Available in 24-bit/192kHz. The Warner remasters are a little on the bright side – but I mean only a little, and they’re nice and dynamic, not compressed and brickwalled like the awful 2009 Genesis ones. One slight downside to Face Value is the loss of that dark, warm ‘Stax’ mastering sound that Collins deliberately sought back in ’81. He said back then in interviews that he wanted it to have a similar mastering to the soul records of his heroes. That’s now been lost, but it’s a small thing.
Did interest in this just stop? No updates since May
I was wondering when Face Value reissue was coming out.
You’ll find an update here > http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/feature/saturday-deluxe-17-october-2015/
Rolling Stone says January 29, 2015
Phil had to have back surgery so it was postponed.
sorry January 29, 2016
[…] Phil Collins reissue campaign, announced back in May, now has some flesh around its bones with track listings for the first two releases – Face Value […]
[…] The third single from Phil Collins‘ Face Value was If Leaving Me Is Easy. This seven-inch is quirky because it has a 45RPM A-side and a 33RPM B-side called ‘Drawing Board’ which actually contains demos of In The Air Tonight, I Missed Again and If Leaving Me Is Easy. That’s over 14 minutes of music on the flipside! They are mastered at such a low volume level though that the music is hard to enjoy on this crackly seven-inch. Hopefully these will be included on the forthcoming reissue. […]
Ok so these would be my dream formats…
Deluxe Remasters
Disc 1: CD/SACD Hybrid of the original album + 5.1 mix
Disc 2: CD of B-sides, remixes, instrumental, alternate versions, demos (when they are revealing in some way), other tracks (e.g. from soundtracks, tribute albums, other compilations) – no live tracks (save them for a live compilation)
In a 2 CD Jewel case containing an informative booklet with lyrics, credits, essay by the artist/journalist about the album’s history/back story. Jewel Cases are easily replaced – torn cardboard sleeves, not so much.
Super Deluxe
Discs 1 and 2 same as above
Disc 3: BluRay having video content (e.g. EPK, music videos, interviews, live material)
Housed in a nice book type enclosure – but don’t bind the booklet to the case
There are PLENTY of unreleased songs by Master Phil. Most of which no one has ever heard of. Be prepared for new songs. :)
Any updates on the re-issues?
There are PLENTY
My guessing is that a Face Value deluxe will consist of the following:-
CD 1) The original album (obviously)
CD 2) The drawing board demos + In the Air Tonight 7″ (and maybe the 12″, although that was not remixed until several years later)
BD 3) 5.1 and 2,o mixes of the album, plus singles videos and maybe TOTP performances etc.
The classic albums doc could also fit on the BD as well, though one would hope for a new documentary (in line with the 2007 Genesis album interviews) if such material was being considered for inclusion.
It is difficult to see what can be offered beyond this – live material is off the table, as Collins didn’t tour as a solo artist until he had two albums under his belt.
My guessing is that a Face Value deluxe will consist of the following:-
CD 1) The original album (obviously)
CD 2) The drawing board demos +
In the Air Tonight 7″
BD 3) 5.1 and 2,o mixes
It is difficult to see what can be offered beyond this – live material is off the table, as Collins didn’t tour as a solo artist until he had two albums under his belt.
This is great new and long overdue- very logical move on Wraner’s behalf especially after success of Genesis releases- The early catalog is what everybody will buy- so the bonus stuff will be crucial-This is the best piece of news since the excellent release of The Tori Amos two albums.
I’m sure us genesis geeks will be disappointed with these reissues. Why is it they can’t just give us all the outtakes, b-sides,demos,remixes,etc. I have spent so much time and money collecting every single that has a rarity. Everything! So please Warner I am going to spend more money on these, so PLEASE INCLUDE THESE B-sides,OUTTAKES, ETC IN 5.1 BLU RAY. PLEASE REMIX THE ALBUM’S IN 5.1. DON’T RUIN THE ORIGINAL MIXES!!!!
off the top of my head, there were bits and bobs in the No Jacket Required Video EP that haven’t made it on to DVD, as far as i know?
any audio / video extras that are not full concerts would be the way to go; i think that’s been covered in separate releases over the years, surely?
Just adding another positive comment – The PC reissues have been on my most wanted list for the past few years – can’t wait – i would buy all 8 at the same time if they come out together…
The weblink I have added is from back in 2003 which said Allen Sides mixed albums in 5.1 back then. If these 5.1’s are part of this and if they are any good, I’m in. No 5.1 no buy for me. I have enough stereo recordings.
Doesn’t look like the link was added, this is the one for 5.1 in 2003:
http://www.worldofgenesis.com/NEWS-Dec03.htm
WB has contracted Elliot Scheiner before for 5.1 mixes, would love to see him deliver 5.1 mixes for all of these and just let him have at it, no reigning him in. The guy understands 5.1 like few others.
IIRC, a number of 5.1 mixes are already in the can, courtesy of Allen Sides . (ie not Elliot Scheiner. Or Steven Wilson. Or Bob Clearmountain.)
[…] I was surprised at the massive response at the news this week that we can expect all of Phil Collins‘ solo albums to be reissued as deluxe […]
Please no destructive, ear-bleeding, dynamics-killing over-remastering. The Genesis reissues sound bloody awful.
Assuming they cull 7″ edits, 12″ extendeds and some rarities, I’m in for at least his 80s albums.
And Don – I share your concerns re format overload. But the wording you used at the end “…is killing music” made me think of a somewhat unreleated, and nice message: Nothing can kill music. Music is invincible.
It made me think of a famous tag line from the eighties to discourage people from recording the charts and records on to cassette ‘home taping is killing music’. Back to this discussion, my favourite PC album was ‘Hello I Must Be Going’ so looking forward to a deluxe version
It appears (at this early stage) what Warners are doing with this reissue campaign is ‘pairing up’ the first four titles with the second four.
So Both Sides gets re-released at the same time as Face Value.
I would then expect to see an expanded Dance Into The Light to hit the stores at the same time as Hello, I Must Be Going, and so forth.
Makes sense, because I don’t think the appetite would be there for the later titles if the albums were released one at time in strict chronological order.
If this is Warners’ plan, I do hope they do the later titles some sort of justice (at the very least rounding up all the B-sides and remixes/edits, and giving us a 5.1 mix for each album).
By the amount of 5.1 remastering Steve Wilson does. I’m surprised he has time for anything else.
What’s wrong with a DVD with 96/24 kHz PCM Audio 2.0 & DTS 5.1
Why is SACD popular when the receiver to play them costs a fortune!
I’m happy with 96/24 as a digital resolution for audio
DTS is a lossy format, which is used on DVD-V discs.
DVD-A or BD would allow for an uncompressed 5.1 mix.
The Tony Banks catalogue is getting an overhaul, too (if anyone’s interested)…
http://www.tonybanksmusic.com/newsdetail.php?ID=34
Please include 7″edits and 12″mixes, many of which still unreleased on cd…. Warner very often failed deluxe editions track lists by omitting them….
According to the press release the 8th album is Going Back.
Blu-Ray Audio in 2.0 and 5.1 with bonus tracks.
I wrote to WMG yesterday and asked them whether they’re including the 5.1 mixes that already exist. No response yet, but I will keep you posted.
I really hope the original first version of The Roof Is Leaking with Eric Clapton is included!
Face Value is one of my favourite albums by anyone ever, so a comprehensive and well mastered SDE would be a joy.
But at the very least I would welcome a 5.1 Blu-ray or SACD.
Please :)
I cannot wait to hear the announcement of the full reissue program… Collins has lots of stuff beggin to be released! The ”Perkins’ Palace concert from 82”, the ”No Ticket Required” concert from 1985 AND the ”But Seriously” VHS that was released from 89 containing all the videos and promos from that terrific period!!! Both Sides could include the VHS ”A Closer Look” that was released in 93 showing Phil and the band preparing themselves for a world tour… I mean, if they are clever enough(which I think they are) they will do a wonderful job, just like they did with those wonderful Genesis box sets that were released a couple of years ago…
I am utterly thrilled by this news: these are the box-set / expanded editions that I have wanted above all others – even Genesis! – and it’s a little hard to believe that it’s actually, finally happening. Phil is well known to be an assiduous archivist (commonly recording the Genesis and his solo shows for assessments of the performance etc) so I am very confident that these sets will be augmented by some very exciting unreleased material. I just hope that no one repeats the error of Gabriel’s SO SDE where very obvious inclusions (the B-sides and Remixes) were not included. I firmly believe that those first four albums, which truly cemented his solo reputation, could make for thrilling SDE sets. If nothing else, I hope this reissue program acts as a forthright reminder that Collins was one of the supreme defining acts of the 1980’s, alongside Michael Jackson and Madonna, and someone with a simply masterful command of Pop/Rock. I, for one, will be in for all of this.
I must be getting old (I am) but does anybody here just listen to the bloody vocals and/or music from their choice of artists?
Yes,the advent of the multifarious digital formats allow those with the hi-end (and expensive) equipment to ‘be in the studio.’
There is more to be said for allowing your lugholes to appreciate what reaches them from *whatever* sound projecting hardware is in place.
Format one-upmanship is killing music.
Many years ago just before Face Value came out I heard Phil and Mike Rutherford on a Capitol Radio broadcast in London with DJ Nicky Horne.
Over a couple of hours they both talked about their new solo albums coming out . Mike played tracks from Small Creeps Day which was coming out first, then Phil played demos of In The Air and Tomorow Never Knows . The demos were near the quality of the final tracks that were released .
So there are plenty of demos around for this set and also I dont think anyone has mentioned the single mix of In The Air which had drums playing over the verses and not just a drum machine .
Looking forward to this very much .
I DESPISED the single mix of “In The Air Tonight” – it killed the climax of the song – but apparently it did the trick to get the song on the Top 40. And I agree it should be included, as part of the history.
Hi, this is a great news, cause we are wating for music by Phil Collins.
Good News for Collins fans, but I’d like to put a word in for Steve Winwood. It’s outrageous that ‘Talking Back to the Night’ is unavailable on CD in most countries, let alone a deluxe edition, and ‘Back in the High Life’ is a classic album that could fill three discs easily.
Come on Island records – get round to this, and speed up the Grace Jones deluxe editions too!
I’m not sure what relevance Steve Winwood has to this discussion. The problem with Winwood archival material is the restrictiveness of Winwood himself, and his unresolved grudge against Universal Music for perceived “wrongs” done by Island Records & its song publishing company decades before Universal bought these companies.
After years of Winwood prohibiting the release of vault material, Universal came to the bargaining table, and a compromise was reached which gave Winwood some royalties increases, though not everything he was seeking. Winwood then permitted an expanded 2-CD edition of “Traffic-John Barleycorn Must Die” only to soon clamp down and again prohibit the release of vault tracks.
Universal would like to release a Traffic boxed set, but with no vault material, with Winwood continuing his rigid stance……it ain’t gonna happen.
Thank you for the information.
Based on what you say, ‘Arc of a Diver’ got the deluxe treatment, so one would assume that the same could be done with his other Island output, if only to add in the remixes, 12″ mixes and b-sides?
But what did the “Arc” reissue add as bonus material? A radio documentary about the album. No vault material.
Not sure what Warners can add to this release. The Audio Fidelity remaster of 2010 is considered to be the best digital version out there, the hi-res was issued in 2013, and (as said right at the top) Warners don’t support SACD and only provide DVD in exceptional circumstances. Further comments above suggest there are few available out-takes and live performances to support the studio recordings. The bonus material will hopefully fulfil the fans’ expectations, but I believe the best digital version of the studio album is already out there. Top that Warners.
I was wondering why there was no ‘…but seriously’ 25th anniversary deluxe edition last year. In my opinion his best record. ‘Both sides’ was ok, but then…
Looking forward to the new editions and hope to hear something unreleased from that aera.
I will definitely be in the air tonight, looking forward to a deluxe edition of Face Value judging by what we are reading above and in advance editions
let’s hope they’re in various formats to suit dvd, bluray audio, cd, 5.1 surround sound, vinyl for a number of enthusiasts.
I’d like to see a DVD release of his “No Ticket Required” concert video. I long ago transferred the Japanese Laserdisc onto DVD-R. Despite the fact that the program played on cable T.V. in the U.S.A.(HBO, as I recall), there was never a U.S.A. VHS, Laserdisc or DVD release, because Collins’ monetary demands(for a U.S.A. license) were too high, and Atlantic Records said “no”. A Blu-Ray release may be possible, since the program was shot on film.(that is, if the film print or negative[as opposed to a 525-line standard definition videotape master] still exists). And “Live & Loose in Paris”, a widescreen production, was almost certainly shot in high definition, though it was only released on DVD, so a Blu-ray release is probably possible. Collins & Warner Music might as well “exploit” this video material, and get some more (commercial) “mileage” from it.
Collins’ many 12″ single versions, demos & b-sides will supply a wealth of possible bonus material for these album reissues. You needn’t worry that there will be a shortage of potential bonus tracks.
Actually, my memory was incorrect. I just watched “Live and Loose in Paris”. It wasn’t widescreen. But still, a Blu-ray release would offer the opportunity to present the surround sound soundtrack losslessly(as opposed to the Dolby Digital audio on the DVD)
“Nearly all the non-album b-sides are easily available on cd-singles from the period”
CD singles didn’t exist in 1981. And had only become a very niche market by 1988.
@Eric
I was speaking in general about this whole reissue project.
Regarding Face Value, the only b-side is Drawing Board, and there were no concerts to promote the album.
A handful of demos were made available a couple of years ago by the official PC fanclub website in poor mp3 quality.
That’s all for that album.
Nearly all the non-album b-sides are easily available on cd-singles from the period and they can be purchased for literally 0,2 cents each in the secondary market.
And they all sound good, technically speaking.
The only demo worth having in my opinion is Please Don’t Ask which is truly amazing, and much better than the Genesis released version. But i bet it will not be included.
As for the live material, i hope he would leave it alone, it’s so boring when a ‘remasterd’ album is coupled with a concert to be packaged as a ‘deluxe edition’. All in all, everybody taped the Perkins Palace radio broadcast in 1983, and that’s the one and only live performance by Phil Collins worth getting an official release. Always in my opinion, clearly.
For those interested, the original single version of In The Air Tonight is easily found on a couple of various artists compilations, one of them being Virgin’s 21st Anniversary Sampler (1993) which includes the UK 7” version and the other being Atlantic Records 50 Years The Gold anniversary Collection (1998) which includes the USA 7” version, 30 seconds shorter than the UK.
The only title still waiting for an official digital release is Drawing Board (3 demo versions of In The Air, I Missed Again and If Leaving Me), but it’s not something essential.
Hi-res remasters and 5.1 mix would be good. Maybe Warners could take on other Genesis solo stuff. A similar presentation of Mike Rutherfords Smallcreeps Day would be a highlight (even if it was a hi-def download or something).
There is a new demand out there for hi-def / surround and Warner seem to be leading the charge. So this might be promising.
Sounds good. I just hope they don’t remaster it the same way they did with the Genesis albums, because they sounded horrible (to me). A No Jacket Required deluxe edition would be great, hopefully with B-Side “I Like The Way” included.
I can only count 7 albums from Face Value to Testify. Whats the 8th album? Serious Hits or Going Back?
I’m for the sacd versions. Only interested in Phil’s first two albums.
As for Prince, he still has 786 albums in the vault and I wouldn’t hold my breath for the 33rd anniversary 1999. I’d rather have remastered cds from The Time and Vanity 6.
I am surely the only one who hopes that from the ’12″ers’ remixes
there are some unreleased alternate mixes or dub mixes in the vaults.
The 12″ remix of “Sussudio” sounds on some points roughly edited.
I have some “No Jacket…” demo’s collected in the last years.
Especially “Take Me Home” is beautiful. Hopefully those demo’s
came on the Deluxe Edition. Did Phil Collins a solo demo
of Frida’s “Is There Something Going On” ? Would be nice to hear it.
1) Original album remastered, with 5.1 option for those who want it.
2) The demos rejected by Genesis. plus other demos from the era.
3) The single mixes, extended mixes, 1988 remixes, contemporary live recordings.
4) The “Classic Album” documentary as a DVD, along with full promos and, again, any solo live footage from 1980/1981.
So a standard 2-disc set with the album plus bonus audio, and a deluxe 3 or 4-disc set with added DVDs and 5.1 mixes.
With the other albums to follow in matching designs and formats.
God I hope it includes the unreleased first version of The Roof is Leaking that features Eric Clapton!
“God I hope it includes the unreleased first version of The Roof is Leaking that features Eric Clapton!”
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!
Agreed! That alone would be worth the purchase.
Looking forward to upgrading the PC titles at long last. Demos, b-sides, alternate versions, remixes…these would all be great additions on a bonus disc. Far as live stuff goes, I would personally enjoy getting ahold of an early show or two as a stand-alone release. If a 3rd disc focused on video archives, that would be cool, too. Super-duper, Ultimate box sets…not so much.
Finally maybe the Sussudio B-side “The Man With The Horn” will get a CD/digital release when NJR gets this treatment, although it may have been released on the promo CD-V for Sussudio. I think the song is an artifact from the HIMBG sessions anyway. Having it’s corollary “Life Is a Rat Race” from Miami Vice released would be nice as well – even if it is just a fragment.
I hope Phil and Warner just release everything, as the fans want. Don’t play around with overdubs or hold back on releasing songs due to artist preference, as Genesis did. An no radical remixes either, thank you very much.
Just make it sound like a brand new album and not just try to make it sounds like the original as for the Genesis-remasters… For instance how would the drums sounds like if they were recorded today etc.
AMEN!