Saturday Deluxe / 5 December 2015

Wow, if you’ve only just noticed the print at home fee you can’t go to many gigs! It’s been that way for years! It has always annoyed me, to the point where I will often opt for posting the ticket out to me as on some sites they charge the exact same fee as the e-ticket/print at home option (or a difference of something like 10p). As a means of silent protest, I like to think I’m doing my utmost to get my money’s worth out of these greedy ticket companies. And as someone who saves the tickets for shows I attend, I’d rather have the small cardboard one in any case than the shoddy piece of printed paper I will end up with after it has accompanied me in “the pit”. ;)

It used to be that one could bypass the “handling fees” and the like by going directly to a venue’s box office. Somewhere in the last five years, that’s started to go away, with venues sending you directly to the Ticketmaster phone number or website to book seats.

When the artists I tend towards charge $25-$35 a ticket, an $8 service fee is enough for me to opt out. At the end of the day, that just means I tend to opt out of live music save for really special shows. A shame, but this is a legitimate case of monopoly ruining the industry.

As for the Dylan downloads, bootleg or no, someone had to compile and set up that download and ten hours of audio is nothing to sneeze at. Hell, King Crimson would have sold you a box set (which I would have gladly bought) whether or not it was a set of audience recordings! ;-)

Sorry to hear the Tull isn’t doing brisk business. I was never that sold on the album, but the new mix/master gives it a bit more shine than it previously possessed.

Try Tokyo for a tiki tour of record shops & 2nd hand vinyl. It’s fantastic. Makes NYC look like kids stuff. And if you’re an 80s freak, pure heaven. Let me know when you go & I’ll meet you there, show you round. You’ll need my help, trust me. & You’ll love the place.

I totally agree about ticket sellers. However, I’ve been very impressed with Wegottickets. They didn’t even offer the option of having a ticket posted. They just emailed a ticket reference number that I had to tell them at the venue. They actually begged me to write down the reference number, instead of printing the email. They told me that it’s 40% better for the environment to NOT print the email and just write the number down on a scrap of paper. How amazingly “green” is that? Well done them, I say.

James, I think it’s safe to say the Tull box may not be selling as well since it’s not one of their more highly regarded albums. Many fans, myself included, consider it to be their worst album of the 1970s. I will buy the new deluxe box eventually but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

Paul
Any idea why the Tull Too Old to R&R is not selling. I got mine from FYE on black sale day for $27. This is a great set, mix & value. U would think it would be scooped up quick. Is it because it is not major title?
J

I did ask about the fees for print your own tickets once and was told it was for the doormen etc who get paid from this portion. Not bad, £2.50 for a quick pat-down & checking your pockets! Although no doubt some faceless boss gets the majority.

Even worse than the extra ticket charges is the fact that if a concert is cancelled, you only get the face value (plus any p&p) back, not the fee!

A few years ago I bought 6 Eminem tickets with See for a stadium gig (I think at the MK Bowl) and when he dropped out (drugs or something?) See refunded the amount, less the fees which totalled over £25. When I queried I was referred to the T&Cs. I complained about a rip-off and they told me that someone had to pay for the computers etc! I’ve never bought from See again, yes I know they’re all part of the same company but it’s a matter of principle.

A year or so ago, a gig by Banco De Gaia (check ’em out!) was cancelled & so angry was the artist, Toby Marks, about the non-refund of fees that he complained on behalf of his fans – to no avail. By way of apology he gave free downloads of a selection of his digital ep. Top bloke.

Anyway, it is a rip-off and the ticket companies are raking it in, everyone knows it but no-one with any power wants to do anything about it. Given they now control online touting as well (and isn’t it strange how tickets appear on their websites before gigs even go on sale….) it’ll only take regulation chance to do anything, which I can’t see happening.

Hi Paul. Same in Oz regarding Ticketing Agencies:
Ticketek – Service Fee $6.30 + 1.95% credit/debit card charge. Print at home $6.30, Venue pickup or mail $8.95.
Ticketmaster – Service Fee $7.95 + 1.95% credit/debit charge. Print at home is Free!!! Venue pick up or mail $6.50
I thought the service/booking fee included the credit/debit card surcharge but not any more.

Same here re: tickets. The utter gall to charge you to print your own tickets. Here’s a possible solution. Since millions can be reached via social media, a boycott for 1 week of ticket purchases would set them straight. Actions of this nature have worked before. I’m sure some social media savvy, disgruntled ticket buyer can get this off the ground.

The sound quality of the Dylan surprise download is mostly crappy…I thank them for the present but I feel like at Sony they are legalizing old audience recordings!

Re Dylan downloads. As a matter of interest, 50 years was the standard UK copyright law, which meant, say, stuff released to the end of 1965 would be public domain from Jan 1 2016. This has been increased to 70 years (the power of the Beatles etc) Does 50 years still apply to unreleased recordings, which would explain, as Bruce said, Sony’s , er, generosity?

Dont even start on the secondary ticket market, legalised touting

Oh, and Live Nation and Ticketmaster being one and the same now. Both having different websites, yes that can’t be confusing anybody…. OMD had the choice of putting a direct link on their website from either. I wonder if there is an advantage to pushing people to one or the other sites. Hmmm…

I found the new Supergrass reissue in Boston at Newbury Comics. It was a good deal for $22. I agree great content, but the book is terrible. No real insight or annotated notes. Adding the lyrics might have been nice too.

I bought tickets yesterday to two shows at the Royal Albert Hall for next year: OMD and David Gilmour (latter is a right result as I only saw it listed when in queue for OMD – I missed this years RAH shows and was going to fly to Toronto to see him…). Anyway, the point I want to highlight is that despite both shows being in the same venue the agents were different, with DG having the Albert Hall direct and OMD going with Ticketmaster. The latter has an unquantified handling fee included in £43.10 ticket cost + £3.45 P&P, where as DG’s ticket is £85.00 + £4.20 handling but no P&P charge. How the hell can anyone make sense of the ticketing industry with different structures of charges, even when one agent’s website redirects you to a venue’s own website (as OMD ticket purchase redirected to RAH’s), before bringing you back to the agent site where upom they whack on charges that the same venue does not add on for another artist’s tickets it is selling direct! Competition is good, but it gets even more confusing when you have multiple vendors for same gig. Currently the concert ticket industry is a total shambolic mess in dire need of cleaning up. I suspect the vested interests that make millions from all the confusion will fight to the death to keep the status quo now as the live music business is their single biggest earner.

Ticketweb disgusting but on side similar issue, the much vaunted mutual John Lewis charge you £2 to click and collect, so they charge you for you having to physically collect purchases! Way of the world in 2015 to fleece the public…. Still annoys me that the web is the more expensive way to buy gig tickets, doesnt make sense.

Has to be Paris next year. Or Berlin maybe. Really enjoyed the NYC blogs!

It was a nice gesture by Sony to provide the mp3 concert material to purchasers of the deluxe box, but it was done primarily to establish their claim to the copyrights for those recordings before the 50-year window expires at the end of the year. Still nice that they chose to distribute the material this way, but let’s not pretend it was only done for the fans!

Raise the ticketing issue with Prostate Cancer UK, they may not be aware, and if nothing else may be able to get a cut of that charge. No doubt that is what the charity’s supporters would expect.

All ticket brokers are terrible, it’s gotten to the point that I go to very few shows anymore because of what you have to do to get tickets and the lame fees. The fees in this case is especially lame but completely unsurprising.

that is disgusting. pay to print your own tickets?!!
funny thing is I just (20 mins ago) used Ticketweb to get a ticket for Theatre of hate tonight, pretty sure that option was there (I was able to chose pick up at venue) will now deffo not use TW in future if I have a choice.

Paul, I Agree about the Dylan bonus. In this day and age, it blows my mind that a company would go the extra mile. Faith restored? Partially…..