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Phil Collins / Face Value and Both Sides deluxe reissue details

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The Phil Collins reissue campaign, announced back in May, now has some flesh around its bones with track listings for the first two releases – Face Value and Both Sides – just revealed.

The retrospective series now boasts a title, Take A Look At Me Now, and has been “entirely curated and compiled by Collins himself”.

Time to adjust your expectations I think, because with Collins’ at the helm his approach has apparently been to “to examine how his songs have evolved over time, with the majority of the additional content throughout the series focused on live versions of the tracks”. Hmm.

There are a few “carefully selected” demos and B-sides, but as those words suggest these are not complete. For example, NONE of the three demos included on the B-side of If Leaving Me Is Easy (highlighted recently in Second Hand News) are included. There are also no remixes.

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Box set gives you both reissues with space for the future releases

At present no dates have been given for the live tracks but the “evolved over time” comment indicates that these live performances aren’t necessarily locked into the era of each album’s original release.

All the content has been remastered by Nick Davis and 180g vinyl versions of these will be available but will include no bonus content. Also, CD and vinyl boxed sets will also be available which include the both new deluxe versions leaving “space to complete the collection” as the rest of the series is released.

Face Value and Both Sides will be released on 6 November 2015. What do you think of the track listings? Leave a comment and let us know.

UPDATE: These are now delayed until 29th January 2016..

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Face Value / Both Sides 4CD collector’s box (with space for future releases)

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Face Value / Both Sides 3LP collector’s box (with space for future reissues)

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track_listing

FACE VALUE: DELUXE EDITION

CD1 – Original Album Remastered

1. “In The Air Tonight”
2. “This Must Be Love”
3. “Behind The Lines”
4. “The Roof Is Leaking”
5. “Droned”
6. “Hand In Hand”
7. “I Missed Again”
8. “You Know What I Mean”
9. “Thunder And Lightning”
10. “I’m Not Moving”
11. “If Leaving Me Is Easy”
12. “Tomorrow Never Knows”

CD2 – Bonus Tracks

1. “Misunderstanding” – Live
2. “If Leaving Me Is Easy” – Live*
3. “In The Air Tonight” – Live*
4. “Behind The Lines” – Live*
5. “The Roof Is Leaking” – Demo*
6. “Hand In Hand” – Live*
7. “I Missed Again” – Live*
8. “….And So To F” – Live*
9. “This Must Be Love” – Demo*
10. “Please Don’t Ask” – Demo*
11. “Misunderstanding” – Demo*
12. “Against All Odds” – Demo

BOTH SIDES: DELUXE EDITION

CD1 – Original Album Remastered

1. “Both Sides Of The Story”
2. “Can’t Turn Back The Years”
3. “Everyday”
4. “I’ve Forgotten Everything”
5. “We’re Sons Of Our Fathers”
6. “Can’t Find My Way”
7. “Survivors”
8. “We Fly So Close”
9. “There’s A Place For Us”
10. “We Wait And We Wonder”
11. “Please Come Out Tonight”

CD2 – Bonus Tracks

1. “Take Me With You”
2. “Both Sides Of The Story” – Live*
3. “Can’t Turn Back The Years” – Live*
4. “Survivors” – Live*
5. “Everyday” – Live*
6. “We Wait And We Wonder” – Live*
7. “Can’t Find My Way” – Demo*
8. “I’ve Been Trying”
9. “Both Sides Of The Story”
10. “Hero” – Demo
* Previously unreleased on CD

 

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  2. An close up look at the live recordings, as they were not m,entioned in the booklet of face value.

    1. Misunderstanding (Live 31-8-2004 Staples Center, Los Angeles)
    2.If Leaving Me Is Easy (Live 16-12-1982 Berkeley Community Theatre, San Francisco)
    3.In The Air Tonight (Live 8-12-1997 Palais Omnisport, Paris)
    4. Behind The Lines (Live 29-5-1985 Reunion Arena, Dallas)
    6. Hand in Hand (Live 8-12-1997 Palais Omnisport, Paris
    7. I Missed Again(Live 16-6-2004 Palais Omnisport, Paris)
    8. …And So To F (Live 19-12-1982 Perkins Palace, Pasadena)

  3. ”Face Value” CD 2 – Live tracks:

    1: Misunderstanding (Finally, the First Farewell Tour 2004)
    2: If leaving me is easy (The Hello, I Must Be Going Tour ’82/’83)
    3: In the air tonight (“Live And Loose In Paris” DVD)
    4: Behind the lines (“No Ticket Required”)
    6: Hand in hand (“Live And Loose In Paris” DVD)
    7: I missed again (“Finally… The First Farewell Tour” DVD)
    8: …And so to F… (“Live at Perkins Palace” outtake)

    “Both Sides” CD 2 – Live tracks:

    2: Both sides of the story (The Both Sides of the World Tour ’94/’95)
    3: Can’t turn back the years (The Both Sides of the World Tour ’94/’95)
    4: Survivors (The Both Sides of the World Tour ’94/’95)
    5: Everyday (The Both Sides of the World Tour ’94/’95)
    6: We wait and we wonder (Finally, the First Farewell Tour 2005)
    9: Both sides of the story (MTV Unplugged: 30. Aug. ’94 at Fountain Studios, London, England)

  4. I’ve been a huge Phil fan since the 80s…… these reissues are a very mixed bag……..

    – The new covers are interesting. I don’t mind them, but it would have been nice to include the original material as well. Here’s the old, and the new…..

    – No 5.1 mix is ridiculous, considering Nick Davis has done the entire Genesis catalog and is now working on Tony Banks solo material.

    – This should include all b-sides from the era. Same with the live material. Having recordings from different eras on the Face Value Bonus disc is distracting…. The sound quality is not what it should be, considering there’s bootlegs that sound better.

    The only people that will be buying these are your hardcore fans. Getting feedback and taking it to heart would be nice.

    A missed opportunity to give this catalog of work the respect it deserves.

  5. Dreck! Where are the discrete, “lossless,” 5.1 tracks of this iconic material from this iconic, 80’s POP, master, musical artist. “Miami Vice” would not have been what it was (and arguably, still is) without Mann’s use of Phil’s (Genesis/Solo career) material! I’m a buyer (“all day”) in discrete, “lossless” surround format…a defiant “hater,” otherwise!

  6. Someone said Phil Collins Face Value wa so unwanted, charity shops refused to take anymore! My point is whatever my views on the reissues, Face Value was and always will be a brilliant iconic album.

  7. Have just taken delivery of the vinyl box and although mastering is ace (to my ears) there is warping on all three discs but only when the flip-side is played! How can that be?!

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  9. It seems very likely that at least 3 songs from the 2nd disc of Face Value are mp3 sourced: the demos of Please Don’t Ask, This Must Be Love and Against all Odds are all confirmed as 95%-99% mpeg sourced by Audiochecker.
    Please Don’t Ask in particular reveals awful sonic artifacts caused by some old mp3 encoders.
    Buyers beware!

    1. I appreciate this info and I am sure you are correct. Although I am not high tech enough to know how to check such things, I have ears. The demos and live tracks SOUND TERRIBLE and my immediate reaction was that they sound like low quality MP3s. Upon my first listen, I was thinking ‘If I’d downloaded these tracks for free, I’d be deleting them after one play, just as I do any other poor quality ‘bootleg’ download’. But on an official pressed silver CD?!? How disappointing. It is precisely this kind of crap that is dooming the major labels. If Numero Group is willing to put in more effort to source the original masters of an unknown group in order to sell a small number of albums than Warner Music will go to to source the demos of a top recording artist on a reissue that they expect to sell millions, they deserve the unceremonious demise that lurks just around the corner.

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  12. Oh dear – Nick Davis did the remastering (the same guy who made such a mess of the Genesis remix/remasters). Does that mean these are different to the Warner/HDTracks remastered catalogue?

  13. Today the deluxe box set “Take a look at me now” arrived and I am listening to it right now! But how can that be!? It is supposed to be released on the end of January! Can someone help? Thanks!

  14. Considering the near-unanimous negative reaction to the tracklistings, the postponement until 2016 may as well be a cancellation, since Collins defiantly refuses to reconsider the reissues’ contents.

  15. I really like the live versions of Both Sides being presented. It was a killer tour with Ricky Lawson (RIP) on drums. Many of the songs were much better live, especially Survivors! Awesome.

    People here generally would want the remixes on the reissue. I have to say that I enjoyed 12″ers (1985 No Jacket Remixed). However, the Ben Liebrandt 1988 remix is horrible and not original album period piece. I don’t know any original legitimate remixes from these 1981 and 1993 albums. Wasn’t it mid-80’s thing and 1981 too early for that and 1993 too late?

  16. I’m hoping the ‘No Jacket Required’ album including the brilliant ‘Long Long Way To Go’ with Sting will sound awesome in remastered form…probably one of the most haunting and beautiful pieces he’s ever recorded…also ‘We Said Hello Goodbye’ only on the CD version was brilliant too..both songs put the throwaway chart fodder like ‘you can’t hurry love’ to shame.

  17. Perhaps it is accurate to say, that Collins had a sound that was, commercially right for its era, in that these were records for people who liked Collins voice and the shorter, more commercial songs on Genesis’ “And Then There Were Three” & “Duke” albums(“Follow You, Follow Me”, “Misunderstanding”, “Turn it On Again”), but didn’t like progressive rock. And Collins once stated that he personally didn’t care for progressive rock. I guess that he auditioned for “Genesis” because his previous group disbanded, and he needed a gig.

  19. on the other hand… depending if you buy some or all of the cds, the live tracks, when placed end to end, is going to make one mega Phil Collins concert.

  20. Perhaps this is a record in SDE for the largest number of negative reactions in the shortest amount of time!? I recommend the original vinyl versions as the best sound until we can compare with these remastered liqorice pizzas ….interesting ” shoot outs” to come. Please does anyone know the source for the LP’s? Same digital files as the CDs? Many thanks!

  21. The majority of comments are spot on although Mr PC will ignore them. It makes me think that if he is not interested in doing remastered versions then he shouldn’t have done them at all but teasing us this way is a dreadful idea. When you look at the wonderful job that was done by Rhino on the VM Moondance album it is so so disappointing that they couldn’t have done the same with the FV album which was simply the best album that PC released. The concept of live bonus tracks is always dodgy idea and could have been put on a separate project. The new cover I will refrain on commenting- but what a missed chance!

  22. I never really understood the appeal — a few singles aside — You Can’t Hurry Love, Sussudio, certainly Easy Lover — I can even hang with Something Happened On The Way To Heaven. But what is Phil Collins to the masses? George Michael for *really* straight people. :-)

  23. I would of preferred that he would of released the b’sides and era related material instead of the live material [maybe no edits unless not butchered].
    As it is the second discs for each are probably under 60 minutes each. Plenty of room to fill in another 5-6 tracks each.
    Like many here, a DV or BR audio disc would of been nice – either part of the set or separate. But I think WB has a history of not releasing them – with exceptions.
    Pete Townsend remasters are expected this fall. He was on WB. But since recent Who albums had DVD or Br audio, there is hope there.

  24. Humm !

    What a lot of negative comments…

    Some clarifications are needed from y point of view:

    – Allen Sides was the man who works a decade ago on 5.1 mixes but, to my knowledge, none of Phil studio albums has been completed in that way, only some tracks (we have an example of a new stereo mix of “One More Night” on the Love Songs compilation)

    – Perhaps these 5.1 were cautionned by Virgin and Rhino couldn’t use them for this campaign.
    – I agree for FV that the ommission of “In The Air Tonight” 1988 remix is a mistake but M. Collins isn’t interested in these kind of things and I totally agree with him

    – We’ll have a live version of “…And So To F…”, which is probably the one available on the B-side of the “Don’t Le t Him Steal Your Away” Maxi (it was played on the first solo tour of M. Collins in 1982-1983), so it’s the first time we have this very good version on CD.

    – The three demo versions called “Drawing Board” are lo-fi quality and totally unnecessary IMHO. Hope the demos presented here on FV are better sound quality and have a reel interest.

    – About “Both Sides”, 3 studio B-sides are missing : “For A Friend” is a good song and there are 2 instrumentals (“Don’t Call Me Ashley” and “Rad Dudeski”), not the best ones yet but I agree it’s a shame that they are not included.

    – About live tracks from “Both Sides”, those who were available on the differents CD-Maxi edited by Warner or Virgin at the time : they were all extracts from the concert in Berlin (recorded in 1990) : so I can understand that they were not used for this re-issue.

    – Some tracks recorded at the time of “Both Sides Tour” have been published later : an EP called “Live From The Board” with 4 tracks live was issued in 1995 and some tracks from the “MTV Europe Unplugged” sessions recorded in 1994 have been published as B-sides of CD-Maxi from the “Dance Into The Light” era.
    It is clear that these 6 tracks don’t appear all in the “Extra Sides” CD….

    So, it’s not the total collapse that some mentionned but it could be better, that’s sure !

  25. These new ‘deluxe’ editions are so underwhelming, I can only hope that ‘super deluxe’ releases – with hi-res 5.1, the complete demos/b-sides/12″/7″ edits/you know, ***everything****- are slated for some future release…

    Wouldn’t be the first time that a company reintroduced a catalogue and then followed up that catalogue with extra material down the road (Bananarama springs to mind, as does Roxy Music – with deluxe 5.1 mixes of the first two album just out in time for Christmas….)

  26. If Phil can put the 3 missing demo’s & the 2-3 seven/twelve mixes. So 5-6 live tracks less I guess most of us here are satisfied ;) It’s that easy :P

  27. Given Collins’ decline in popularity, and the fact that he’s been out of the public eye (More than a decade since his last album of original songs), Collins(who owns his recordings) is lucky to get a major label to buy a license to reissue his recordings; a deal that hopefully brought in substantial money for Collins. The deal may not have included video materials or an agreement to supply surround sound mixes. Collins may not have as much say in the contents of these reissues as we think or may be inclined to go along with whatever Warner Music marketing “experts” advise him. Warner Music may see this CD series mainly as a chance to introduce these albums to a new generation of consumers, so what Collins’ avid original fans think of the bonus tracks may be of little or no concern to Warner Music.
    If these reissues are an abject commercial failure, then there will be a re-think about what audience Collins’ recordings should be marketed to. After all, Warner Music doesn’t want the money(that they paid for the license) go down the drain.

  28. The question is, should fans dictate what an artist puts out (product) or should we respect the artist’s view (art)? Isn’t it up to Mr. Collins how he wants to present something to the public? This is not a new smart phone or tablet coming out, where input from the consumer can help to better the product. No, this is music, first and foremost an art form, offered to us by an artist, who -until proven otherwise- thrives on sincerity. It’s up to the public to like it or not, sure. However, it is not up to the public to question “how” it is presented, as it is exactly how Mr. Collins wants it to be, so I presume. If the public is going to tell how an artist should create his art, what’s the point in having an artist at all?

    Sure, I myself would have preferred to see all related material in one place and I can still ponder why it didn’t happen. However, I am only to accept the artist’s view and work with what I do get. Just a thought.

    1. If Collins and Rhino are content with low sales for these re-releases then they’ve gone about it in exactly the right way. This is less about artistic expression than it is selling something again to the hardcore fanbase so to not tailor that to the wants of those fans is just bad business. Just a quick scan of the nigh on 200 posts concerning these, shows that the vast majority won’t be buying them so if this is reflected outside of this site then the releases will be a commercial failure. I doubt that Collins or Rhino want that, do you…?

      Had this been an album of new material then I’d probably echo Alvin’s sentiments but it’s simply a money-making exercise so why not give the fans what they want?

    2. Alvin, I agree as far as we are dealing with a new album or project but I do not agree when it’s about reissues and remasters.
      The original release of an art form is and should remain the sole vision of the artist that gave birth to it. But after this has been available to the public, what is it that still really belongs to the artist ? Many acknowledge the fact that an album or a movie does not belong to them anymore once it is released and I quite understand what they mean.
      There are artists in the musical industry that have never reissued any album in remastered form from their back catalogue (Janet Jackson for example). After all they don’t have to. As long as their albums have been repressed and are still available, if they don’t see the point in releasing special editions it’s quite ok.
      BUT from the moment the artists or the record companies decide to release new editions, they can’t be deaf and blind. Because after all, let’s not be naive about it, the sole purpose of this (apart from pleasing the fans) is to make money out of it. That’s when you have to listen to the fans. If you don’t, you can’t blame anymone for being seen as a selfish, stubborn and greedy artist who tries to milk everyone down the road without paying the slightest attention to anybody’s request…

  29. I think its a shame that artists/labels dont listen more to what fans actually want on re-issues rather than what artists/labels putting out what they want.

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  32. @bob : since last Genesis tour he lost a lot of weight, it’s surprising, I sincerely hope he’s well enough to continue doing music.

    Now if I speak outside of a fan point of view, I don’t think changing the covers is a good point. Surely that’s innovative,but a bit weird. I hope Q or NME will do a bit of review about these reissues (and hope they’ll judge the music and product, not the man, nobody’s perfect) and, in my wildest dreams, an interview!!!!

    1. The NME just shut down, they’re currently web only & about to become a free sheet & probably would’nt’ve covered him anyway (not exactly their demographic).

  33. I believe most of us are interested in buying if they put on the things we want: remixes/demo’s & NOT live stuff. We have those remixes already. We want to celebrate with Phil, buying/paying for his stuff again, where all the stuff collected in/on one place, officially, legally, in remastered quality. And we want to hold the physical CD/package. Of course you can listen to them online or illegally download etc. But that’s not the point. I believe the other live stuff might also have been on youtube or illegal download or on bootleg CD’s. Buy/get those. Why bother with all these reissue then.

    This is a place (thanks to Paul S.) where we fans can communicate with the artists/record companies tell them what we want. If they decide to stick with their original plan not to change a thing. No problem. But most of us won’t buy them.

    I believe most of us were happy with most Paul Young reissues. Still Paul Young can have his way/say for example of the track Oh Woman-Live (6mins instead of the original 9mins)! It’s a win-win-win situation (we get what we want/record companies get the money/artists are happy about it)!

  34. Phil never looks great anyway ! LOL. Probably should have kept the original covers to stay true to the release. I get with a retrospective like the recent David Bowie release that you see him change through the years, but the Phil re-releases should be just that. I was never a fan anyway so not something I would buy.

    1. No one who lives long enough has any choice about getting old, but being grim and sad is a personal choice. Maybe when I’m 65 I’ll be grim and sad…or maybe not. I’ll find out in 6 years.

  36. I already have all the 7/12″ and a good turntable. If I was about to pay, it would be for a complete product. CD=80 minutes. Face Value: cd1-enough space for original album+b-sides+remix. Cd2 the bonus CD as it is now. I had enough of being milked by record companies, that’s all. As pointed somewhere else, Phil Collins was basically reluctant about all this. The main reason behind all this is the new contract, not Phil enjoyement about the past,especially when you know that every album=a divorce.

    “.you don’t have to look at a grim old man”

    I’d like to do so, if he decides to write and publish new material.
    Orianne’s gone, so maybe there’ll be a new album…

  37. Whomever (Phil Collins or Warner Music executives) vetoed the more extensive Deluxe Editions that the fans so clearly wanted, now must find a face-saving way out.
    One good way to start would be several boxed sets of CD singles, not unlike the sets issued by Duran Duran & The Rolling Stones; I.E. sets where each CD disc contains everything from the 7″ single, 12″ single and all CD single variations for each hit. This way, these recordings will be back in print, and Collins gets his way(that these songs/versions not be added to the albums). Otherwise, if Illegal uploaders detect renewed interest in Collins’ music, uploads similar to the one I found a year or so back, will soon reappear .
    For someone who clearly aspired to be a middle of the road “All Around Entertainer” like Collins, he seems to have forgotten that one of the essentials of being a mainstream entertainer is that you have to keep the audience happy. I would say, that in the final years of his recording career, that Collins veered too far towards M.O.R., and it was his commercial downfall. Doing songs for Disney cartoons was an Elton John type of things. Phil Collins was not cut out to be the next Elton John.

  38. For those who reeeeeeeeally want to hear remixes of “In The Air Tonight,” and don’t care whether Collins himself liked them, disliked them, had anything to do with them, or even ever heard them, there are dozens available on youtube and elsewhere on the web. Download some, strip the audio, burn to CD, print a copy of young Phil’s shining face from a scan of the original cover so you don’t have to look at a grim old man, and Bob’s your uncle. It’ll make excellent background music for complaining about musicians who have the unmitigated gall to put previously unreleased demos and live tracks on their reissues; rather than extended versions slapped together at the label’s behest in a bid for club play, adaptations for advertising jingles, or karaoke versions without the artist/songwriter’s annoying vocal track.

  39. If the live tracks had been on the vinyl reprint, I’d have sent the money, I’m a real fan of Phil. But since I have all the LP’s (Face Value>Dance Into The Light) I’ll wait until they print post 1997 albums on vinyl. Fingers crossed for the Disney OST’s !

    As for the cd’s I don’t buy them anymore since 2009.

    As for the cover,damn he looks sick/old, I’m 27 so I still don’t care , but I think about people the age of my parents, I don’t think that psychologically, they want to “buy” the fact that they (the buyers) also got old.

    Do Elvis fans would buy a posthumous album with the picture cover of him sick,or on stage with a nice glittery costume at the prime of his age?

  40. Well, I’ve cooled off a little since my original assessment –since I believe I already have the “In the Air Tonight” remixes and single edits from here and there. I could go for a nice remaster of ‘Face Value’ for sure. But I do find the pairing of ‘Face Value’ & ‘Both Sides…’ to be curious. Wasn’t ‘Sides’ one of his lesser successful albums? Maybe they are going to pair each of the big sellers (‘Jacket’ and ‘But Seriously’ come to mind) with one of the more minor hits to help draw attention to them?

  42. Elsewhere on the internet, alarm has been expressed over the involvement of engineer Nick Davis in this series, with some people claiming that all of Davis’ Genesis remixes and remasters sound terrible. It is true that Davis’ new stereo & surround mixes of “A Trick of The Tail” & “And Then There Were Three” were drenched with excessive reverb, and mastered harsh and blaring, but the other albums in the Genesis “1970-1975”, “1976-1982” & “1983-1998” boxes sound generally good. I have no complaints about the mixes and masterings of the other albums in those boxes.
    I wish that I had held onto my early(mid-1980’s) West German CD of “And Then There Were Three”, because all subsequent CD editions sound poor. There were remasters of the original mix, but they were sibilant and unpleasant…and then there was Davis’ remix.
    Davis has had a long-term career at the Genesis recording studio, “The Farm”, so it is highly unlikely that the group will ever permit any other engineer to make an attempt at remixing the music of Genesis.
    As for Collins’music, I think that I’ll stick with my existing CD’s(I’ve got the albums up through “Both Sides” via original Atlantic CD’s, excepting “Face Value” on Atlantic 24kt. Gold CD, and “No Jacket Required” on Audio fidelity 24kt. Gold CD), plus High resolution downloads of the first four albums, and many 12″ singles, CD singles, soundtrack songs, all of his concert videos and whatever additional rarities I have found on the web. I’ve got an extensive Collins collection.
    There’s going to be so much great archival CD, DVD & Blu-ray product coming from other artists later this year, that there’s no need to be anguished over Collins’ inadequate deluxe editions. There’ll be no shortage of “product” from other artists to buy. The artists who give their fans what they want will get our business.

    2. Phil, you can add ‘Duke’ to that list of the 2007 remaster disasters for me. So bright it’s ear-splitting. I can’t listen to it, and am glad that I kept the original CD print and the 1994 remaster, both of which are much better. Same goes for ‘Trick’.

  43. Preorder available on Amazon UK now £13.33 each or Take A Look At Me Now (Collector’s Edition) priced at £23.22 not that i will be buying from there.

  44. Well surely “Face Value” would benefit from a remastered edition but I have to say that albums from “Hello I Must Be Going” to “Both Sides” are among the best sounding CD’s I have in my collection, and there is not much point in remastering them. Apart from killing the amazing dynamics from those recordings I don’t know what they can achieve here.

    Funny thing to see that those new editions will display a front cover that has aged but an audio content in which they try to conceal that it has…

    1. The vinyl of Face Value had a fantastic dynamic range, which is why the original of “In The Air Tonight” was so much better than the single mix. The final “Over the Rainbow” was so quiet it was easy to miss.

  45. Price for the 4x CD Box Set is only £23.22 at the moment on Amazon UK. I think thats pretty good really.

    I can’t wait for this set to come out!

  46. Inspred covers. I think it will be interesting to hear those bonus tracks when they are actually released, while it is not loaded with unreleased songs or studio content, Phil has already released many of his demos to his hardcore fanbase already. On a sonic approach these discs may work as something you may want to hear on a repeated basis rather than a content heavy curio you only listen to once. For “Face Value” there was only the single remix of “In the Air Tonight” anyway, so no big loss there. I will not underestimate his ability as a producer to come up with something brilliant, until I am given a chance to judge the content on it’s own. Actually, I’m surprised he even did these, so the bonus factor is just that, a bonus. Besides “Both Sides of The Story” essentially consisted of tarted up demos of Phil alone in the stustudio, I’m sure the live versins will show a bigger depth of sound and band ineraction.

  48. I think this 2 CD/DD remaster is pointless without some unreleased completed studio recordings that didn’t make the album, demos, B sides and the In The Air Tonight mix off of the 1981 12″ Germany maxi single. Why is “Misunderstanding” Live & Demo included on this edition of his solo work?, that was with Genesis. The only live performance I have ever truly liked by any artist is the Doobie Brothers Live In Santa Barbara performance. I never was a fan of the Both Sides album. I have all four of his first released albums on Vinyl & CD plus a few 12″ & 7″ vinyl singles and have awaited for there remaster or a expanded/deluxe edition. This is just a ridiculous mock up of a second disc of bonus content for Face Value! Live performances should be left for DVD or Blu-Ray, you feel more into them when watching the artist’s energy and performance. I hope he reconsiders the 2nd disc track listing for Face Value and add’s a few and removes some of the unnecessary live tracks and saves them for another disc or a DVD/Blu-Ray Release. If the track listing doesn’t change I see no point in buying the CD, LP or DD of Face Value.

  49. The tracklisting of Face Value isn’t that disappointing to me as Phil Collins /Genesis collector. It contains some demo’s to songs that only exist in bootleg form and with very bad audio. Please Don’t Ask & Misunderstanding were only released as Genesis songs with band compositions. It’s nice to finally hear Phil’s demo’s, that he didn’t use for his first solo album. There weren’t any remixes (the ones we know are from 1988), 12-inch versions or B-sides from that period, only an inferior single edit of In The Air Tonight. Everything he recorded in 1981 is on that album, besides some demo’s. The only B-side you could release (but it could have been released on Hello I Must Be Going as well because it was a b-side on those singles) is the Brand X song …And so to F… (Live)… which he wrote in 1979. And that’s on this release. Too bad the Drawing Board demo’s aren’t here. So this re-issue could be better but it’s not as worse as a lot of people here seem to think.

    The Both Sides re-issue however is really disappointing. It only contains a few of the B-sides that he released in that period. And he released a lot of non-album tracks on his singles in those years. He was really productive then. This release doesn’t do right to all the stuff he recorded and released (or put on a shelve) in 1993/1994. A Missed chance.

  50. Just placed an order for the vinyl box set. I liked the Nick Davis Genesis mixes on vinyl, so I’m sure I’ll love these too. I don’t care about demos or live stuff, that can be found on YTube and The Movement. Just give me the albums, that’s all.

  51. This appears to be another example of the artist / label not listening to fans. That’s fine, but it’s missing the whole point of a reissue. The success comes from listening and giving fans additional material they actually want in my opinion. Like so many others here, I’d love to see Warners consider do some more research. At the moment, it’s a No from me.

    1. These seem like the audio equivalent of vanity book publishing to me. I’m sure Collins feels like these editions are what he wants to put out but who REALLY cares about that? He can listen to whatever he likes whenever he likes, ignoring things he personally dislikes, but the only reason for a re-release like this is to cater to the existing/hardcore fanbase who are very specific about what constitutes a deluxe/superdeluxe edition (live tracks NEVER make a deluxe edition).

      These clearly aren’t it.

  52. These two releases are a bit sad to me (and I’m most definitely a Phil fan/not a hater). 1. in my opinion, the covers are more than a little creepy. 2. Phil already has two live albums and multiple live sets on video, so why more live tracks?

    Here’s how these reissues should have unfolded:
    Deluxe Edition Remasters
    – Disc 1: CD/SACD Hybrid of the original album + 5.1 surround sound mix
    – Disc 2: CD of B-sides, remixes, instrumental, alternate versions, demos (when they are revealing in some way), other tracks (e.g. from soundtracks, tribute albums, other compilations) – no live tracks (save them for a live compilation)
    In a 2 CD Jewel case containing an informative booklet with lyrics, credits, essay by the artist/journalist about the album’s history/back story. Jewel Cases are easily replaced – torn cardboard sleeves, not so much.

    Super Deluxe Edition Remasters
    – Disc 1: same as above
    – Disc 2: same as above
    – Disc 3: BluRay having video content (e.g. EPK, music videos, interviews, live material)
    Housed in a nice book type enclosure or small clamshell box containing an informative booklet with lyrics, credits, essay by the artist/journalist about the album’s history/back story.

    For good points of reference, see recent reissues by Deacon Blue, Yes, XTC, and Everything But the Girl.

  53. A quote below from Phil attached to the preorder page here in Australia which might make more sense out of these reissues. I don’t mind the concept but think that not including 5.1 mixes when they are supposedly in the can is a big fail. Maybe they didn’t sound the best.

    “I’ve always been quite proud of my demos and have often made them available as B-sides, but with a few exceptions, I have avoided including those on these collections,” says Collins. “Instead, I’ve focused on how nicely the songs developed when played on stage, rather than showing how they originated.”

      1. Hi Paul, Do you think the lack of a more comprehensive reissue (ie SD Box sets) has to do with costs and perhaps which company is prepared to help foot the manufacturing bill. Please correct me if I’m wrong, these sets will be released by two different companies depending on which part of the world we are talking about. Universal/Virgin for EU and Warner for rest of the world. Maybe these two highly competitive companies could not agree on formats. Warner are not know for adding 5.1 components to their reissues whereas Universal do. What do you think?

      2. My bad. He now has a global deal with Warner. Still they are not known for adding 5.1 components to their SD reissues. Maybe as I said in my first post the 5.1 mixes were not to PC’s liking.

  54. To the chap that mentioned the Going Back ‘re-shoot’.. that made laugh! that will be very funny to see. At least he’ll not have to worry about re-shooting Testify..

    I dont think Phil Collins has ever had this much critical discussion!

  55. Phil Collins should release an “Expanded Version” of “12”ers”
    with all the 12”remixes / 12″dub mixes
    after that disappointing Box Set in 2016.
    Then the ‘album and live fans’ have the “Take A Look At Me Now” Box Set
    and the ’12” fans’ have their 12″ remixes from all albums then on
    ’12″ers – Expanded Edition”. Maybe this could be a great idea
    to satisfy all of us. What do you think about that Paul ?

  56. Now, what really pissed me off is the lack of 5.1 mixes… Wherever I hear those great mixes that Nick Davis did for the Genesis box sets, I often think that it would be great if they released mixes from Phil’s solo albums… Now the opportunity came and they haven’t done that…

    1. Good spot… it does look like it. Also, there is a slight flaw in the concept since Phil is 34 years older for Face Value but only 22 years older than himself for Both Sides. He could have at least waited another 12 years for Both Sides for the sake of consistency ;)

  60. Further to my post above:-

    The BD could also include as a bonus the Clapton run through of ILMIE and other sorted rough mix oddities. The capacity of a BD is staggering compared to a CD – no reason not to include it if it’s available.

  61. What the FV set should have/could have been:-

    CD1 – the album (obviously)

    CD2 – The Complete Drawing Board demos + ITAO 7″ + ITAO 88 7″/12″ (the 88 tracks are not essential, but hey, there should be space, so why not?)

    CD3 – ‘development live tracks’ (if you must, Phil)

    BD – containing all of the above in hi-res +
    the album in 5.1 +
    the Classic Albums doc +
    period TV appearances/videos

    Now *that* would be a deluxe edition worth buying….

    1. Steven –

      Yes! That is exactly what this should have been. Again, not including 5.1 mixes on these reissues makes no sense since Phil has stated that 5.1 mixes were created for his catalog over five years ago. Why are they being left to gather dust in the vaults?

  62. @ MiG – If the people complaining weren’t fans do you really think they’d be wasting their time reading this let alone leaving a comment? It’s those complaining that are best placed to highlight what’s missing from these releases, surely?

    And, to all those thinking they’re so clever for calling out people for mentioning 12″ mixes, just give it a bloody rest, will you? We all know there are no mixes for these albums but, given what is missing, concerns are being raised about what may be omitted from future releases – and that means 12″ mixes! Stop being so pedantic!

    As for me? I couldn’t care less for unreleased demos or live recordings and I think the covers are terrible (slip cases with the original artwork might have been a good idea). But, I’ll get them as its the only way to get the remastered versions. Single disc versions would have been nice.

    1. It’s not being clever mentioning 12″ mixes that don’t exist it’s the fact some people don’t seem to want to comprehend that fact and keep banging on about them.As for future releases not containing stuff we will wait and see because there is no point in specualting about that now.

      1. Well one 12″ mix does exist, the 88 version which while not ‘period’ certainly should have been a bonus track. The seven inch of In The Air Tonight is another ‘mix’ missing. So correcting people when they are referring to 12-inch mixes or ‘mixes’ is a little bit pedantic, if you don’t mind me saying so. Also if PC has omitted a commercially issued remix from an early deluxe, it’s a reasonable assumption that he might do the same again later.

  65. I think these new covers are superb. I think Phil has got it spot on. He knows these are going to sell to existing fans who already have the originals. The covers are just perfect — we’ve all grown older, after all. In fact I think he looks better here than he did on the originals. More distinguished, more world-weary, more in keeping with the songs. Nice one.

    As for the moaners…ah, let them moan. Those who are fans will buy these reissues. Those who aren’t are just puffing air.

  66. b sides, demos, mixes and live tracks all have their place on SDE releases BUT in their place- this is all muddled. You can’t mix odd live tracks in amongst studio tracks

  68. There were no 12 inch mixes until 1985 as i stated in my previous post so would people please stop complaining about these imaginary 12 inch mixes that don’t exist. I presume Hello, I Must Be Going! will be next on the list are we going to get the same moaning about 12 inches missing from that as well.

    1. I guess everybody’s moanings are referred to the Take A Look At Me Now retrospective series as a whole, where Collins’ approach has apparently been to “to examine how his songs have evolved over time, with the majority of the additional content throughout the series focused on live versions of the tracks”.
      It’s clear there are no 12” extended versions related to Face Value nor Hello I Must Be Going, every Phil Collins fan knows that, but it’s highly probable from PC description of the project that no 12” version will be included in any forthcoming expanded album, and that’s a shame. That’s the point of all the moanings.
      The absence of the 3 demos found on the Drawing Board side of ‘If Leaving Me Is Easy’ single on the expanded Face Value is unacceptable, and the single version of In The Air Tonight should be there as well, even if it’s not the best representation of that song.
      At least he has decided to release the demo of Please Don’t Ask, which is in my opinion the best thing he ever did in his whole career. I guess i will just purchase that one song as download, if available, otherwise i will skip the reissue project totally.

  69. I will still buy them but I’m extremely disappointed that this hasn’t been done like the Genesis box sets. They are fantastic reissues complete with b sides. Granted not all or 12 inch mixes but that could be put on some discs in the future. Phil Collins, read these comments and give the fans what they want

  70. Phil please, add in the next reissues 12″mixes and 7″edits still today unreleased on cd. On Face Value is missing In The Air Tonight 7″. It’s very important for us and you’ve always been a generous artist…

  71. BTW these are what I found on discogs:

    Phil Collins ‎– Face Value
    01 In The Air Tonight 5:27
    02 This Must Be Love 3:55
    03 Behind The Lines 3:54
    04 The Roof Is Leaking 3:15
    05 Droned 2:49
    06 Hand In Hand 5:20
    07 I Missed Again 3:40
    08 You Know What I Mean 2:33
    09 Thunder And Lightning 4:11
    10 I’m Not Moving 2:30
    11 If Leaving Me Is Easy 4:54
    12 Tomorrow Never Knows 4:18
    13 Over The Rainbow 0:20

    A If Leaving Me Is Easy 4:45
    Drawing Board
    B1 In The Air Tonight 4:17
    B2 I Missed Again 3:16
    B3 If Leaving Me Is Easy 4:14

    Drawing Board (Version Inédite)
    B1 In The Air Tonight 4:56
    B2 I Missed Again 4:05
    B3 If Leaving Me Is Easy 5:13

    A Thunder And Lightning 4:12
    B This Must Be Love 3:55

    A1 Intro 0:23
    A2 Thunder And Lightning 4:12
    B1 Intro 0:23
    B2 Thunder And Lightning 4:12

    A I Missed Again 3:42
    B In The Air Tonight 4:59

    1 In The Air Tonight 5:00
    2 I Missed Again 3:42

    1 In The Air Tonight (Album Version) 5:33
    2 In The Air Tonight (Remix) 7:35 the 1988 Ben Liebrand ‘Extended Version’

    1 In The Air Tonight (88 Remix) 5:07
    2 In The Air Tonight (Extended Version) 7:33
    3 I Missed Again 3:42

    A En El Aire Esta Noche (In The Air Tonight) 3:30
    B El Techo Está Goteando (The Roof Is Leaking) 3:16

    A In The Air Tonight 4:59
    B The Roof Is Leaking 3:16

    A In The Air Tonight 3:50
    B The Roof Is Leaking 3:40

    A In The Air Tonight 4:20
    B The Roof Is Leaking 3:16

    A This Must Be Love 3:55
    B Thunder And Lightning 4:12

    A I Missed Again 3:42
    B I’m Not Moving 2:30

  72. I like Phil Collins. Bought many of his CD’s! I believe starting from Easy Lover (duet with Philip Bailey) & his Against All Odds! Then I bought his 12″ ers (if no one likes the 12″ Mixes why this one had been re-issued/re-released a numerous of times)! There were so many great remixers in the 80’s/90’s! They brought out the best of a song, let us hear the many different elements/parts of the song, which would be hidden underneath the vocal track or simply been cut out to make the album/single versions. When In The Air Tonight ’88 came out due to Ben Liebrand’s great remix of it, I started to like his older works as well. So for me I was expecting 12″ Mixes of unreleased mixes/alternate versions unreleased hidden (if there wasn’t any released it doesn’t mean they don’t exist)! But no new remixes from now like Cyndi Lauper did with hers. If there wasn’t any unreleased remixes then I would like all the different versions/mixes of In The Air Tonight to be included! Then all the demo’s! I liked what Phil did with his singles off …But seriously scattered around on his CD singles back then. I believe I bought every single one of them because of his demo’s.

    And N O to the new cover. I prefer the old cover (younger & happier Phil)! This new cover scared me off. If I see this new cover I wouldn’t think this is an reissue expanded edition. I would think this is Phil’s recent release.

    And also N O to all the Live tracks. If all the mixes & demo’s I wanted are included here & there’s some space left I don’t mind those to be included. And not trying to include unreleased or what the artist thinks we would have wanted omitting or fading out the 12″ mixes we all wanted for a long time (OMD)!

    I hope Phil will read these comments & change the tracklisting. Without any changes I believe no one will buy it (or most of the fans won’t) like Peter Gabriel’s, Cyndi Lauper’s, Martika’s, etc.

    Of course if all the artists don’t the 12″mixes to be included just licensed them out. I believe our friends Blank & Jones can put them on their So80s-series or their So80s presents … (1, 2 or perhaps 3 CD sets) :D

  74. Also disappointed. Provides no sides b, 12 “inches, demos. Not worth buying if you already have your cd’s. I expected something great but this is fatal what to publish. I hope they realize before editing that what they are doing is not what most fans want.

  75. Okay, I believe everything I have to say about this release has already been said before. I find these 2 reissues a missed opportunity. Would have expected a few outtakes, maybe some instrumentals and certainly the single mix of In The Air Tonight (which I really like as an alternative version to the album version) plus the ’88 remixes. The missing B-sides on Both Sides are big, big omissions too. Don’t think I’ll buy these 2 CD’s. Or in other words: I’m not specially looking forward to buy them upon release.

    The art work however is 100% genius. Personally I think it was an excellent idea to reproduce the original album covers this way! It takes some gut too. I am quite sure it came from Collins himself.

  77. Sorry, but the covers are a huge mistake – they’re absolutely dreadful, quite frightening in fact. Obviously, the updated pictures symbolise his ownership and control of the material in present times, and, along with the hugely disappointing track lists, he obviously wants to decouple these albums from their places in the past and give them a bizaree, almost anachronistic, place in the present. Can you imagine if Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks had attempted to recreate the cover of ‘Rumours’ for its re-release? The mind boggles…..

    I think the gentleman’s reputation for being somewhat ‘difficult’ is very evident in these releases, and this again reminds me of artists, like Kate Bush, who seem to have no interest or respect for what their legions of fans might like to get via a deluxe release of their work.

    Definitely will not be investing, even though I think ‘Face Value’ is a classic album.

  78. Wow. Complain, complain, complain…don’t see what the big deal is as long as prices are accessible and remastering up to snuff. I must admit to laughing at all the comments of imaginary missing tracks – what are you all smoking? IMHO, amazing what Mr. Collins was able to do while juggling his considerable Genesis commitments. Video content or 5.1 would have been appreciated, but strongly suspect both queued for later. The new covers are sneaky good, nice surprise.

    1. I agree, I don’t like the idea of new covers on reissues at all. By all means include within the packaging but not on the front. If all the relevant B sides had been included I would have bought these but as it stands I’ll stick with the originals. Not interested in the live material.

      1. He could have done the same as Kraftwerk with new covers on the outer sleeves to create a common theme for the series, but the original covers within.

  80. Why are they not reissuing his albums in the order they were originally released? Where are “Hello, I Must Be Going”, “No Jacket Required” and “But Seriously”?

  81. One word for these two ‘so called’ Deluxe Editions – POOR!

    I love Deluxe Editions for the 12″ versions and extended remixes that get added and these have NONE! Just adding a load of live tracks is pointless and a cop-out. I was really looking forward to the Phil Collins Deluxe Editions, but not as much now! I suggest they scrap these reissues and start again and add what the fans and buyers want, not what ‘they think’ we want because they certainly have it so very wrong with these!

    1. If you were compiling both these albums what 12″ versions and extended remixes would you put on them since none actually exist. Yes there was a couple of mixes of In The Air Tonight from 1988 but they would sound out of place. The simple truth is that there were no 12″ versions around until No Jacket Required was released in 1985.

  82. To everyone who commented to me that Against All Odd was from the FV period, I stand corrected! Kinda weird that I didn’t know that as I am a huge fan of Phil Collins. I think updating the artwork is interesting, but again, the contents really need to be given a rethink.

  83. The announcement of the reissues had me starting to become re-interested in Collins, but the announcement of the tracklistings killed it. There’s nothing here in the way of what i was really hoping for. The cover concept is brave, but the content leaves me cold. I’ve never been a huge fan anyway, so I’ll stick with my original releases.

  84. Was really looking forward to Face Value (and later Hello, I must be going), hoping there would be a whole CD of demos and out-takes… This is so disappointing! Who listens to live albums more than once? How odd to have a full disc of more live tracks yet again!. Remixes are like live versions, you wouldn’t listen to those more than once so happy there are none…
    Was also hoping there would be a book or extensive booklet… Sadly, I won’t buy any of these releases :(
    Oh and the new cover photos are a bit creepy…

  85. I’m not a fan of PC’s solo work – which is not to say I dislike the music – but if I were a fan I’d be seriously….disappointed. Hello he must be going…”sod ’em”.

  86. Oh well, last year, I found an unofficial download containing every one of Collins CD singles from the Uk, Europe & U.S.A., and I long ago transferred many of Collins’ vinyl-only rarities to DAT, then later to CD-R, so I can easily create my own expanded editions.
    And while I would have wanted to have the “No Ticket Required” video on DVD, I long ago transferred my Japanese Laserdisc onto DVD-R.
    I would have enjoyed hearing Collins albums in surround sound, but apparently, he is defiant, and oblivious to what the fans want.
    It seems that Collins’ public persona has changed since his physical problems, divorce and retirement. He seems to have become grim, sad and reserved. Drummer Bill Bruford(who was a touring sideman with Genesis in the mid-1970’s) has said, that, in the 1970’s that Collins was “Fun”, but when he met Collins again in the mid-1980’s, that Collins had become “Forlorn”. Or perhaps, during his peak years, he merely called upon his early background as a child actor, to create a public persona radically different to his real one. As Collins has said, when he went on stage to take over from Peter Gabriel as the lead singer of Genesis, he knew that he’d be able to sing, but he didn’t know what to say to the audience. The outgoing humorous stage persona that he created (for which he later expressed regret) was an answer to that dilemma.

    1. Last bank holiday in the UK the weather was rotten , I stayed in and had another watch of the Genisis When In Rome documentary .
      And what comw across most is that Phil Collins really couldnt be bothered
      He looks like he did it for the money . Which is fine but It seems like Phil Cohen said hes not a happy man any more , well to us hes not .

  88. I’m surprised at the positive reaction to the new sleeves. To me, they smack of revisionism, which I hate to see with reissues. It’s not a new re-recording of the original, and the images are not “alternatives” dating from the same time. Reinstating rejected/censored artwork from the time is one thing, this is just a gimmick. Pass.

    1. I think the idea is great, but like the ‘negative’ images for Led Zeppelin this should have been used in conjunction with the originals not replacing them.

  91. Years ago, Phil stated in an interview that after the Genesis catalog was mixed into 5.1, the same treatment was applied to his solo catalog. So these 5.1 mixes have been sitting in a vault for years. Why they’re not included in these reissues is inconceivable. Also, Phil’s solo career started right at the beginning of the MTV era, and there’s a significant amount of video available for every one of his albums. Again, unfathomable as to why we’re not getting DVD/Blu-ray with these reissues. Not enough here to interest me, I won’t be buying. And I DID buy Gabriel’s So box!

  92. There were two different versions of the single mix of “In The Air Tonight” back in 1981. There was an edited version which ran under 5 minutes, and there was an unedited version which ran about 5:30 minutes. on of them should at least have found its way on this reissue. very disappointing, indeed. even if mr. c. doesn’t like this mix – 34 years later this is a historical recording. they could have explained the story behind the release in the sleeve notes…

  95. Will be bought. I don’t care if there are 12″ mixes are missing on a cd as it is with radio edits. Complete waste of time and space to my opinion. I only want b sides, demos, live tracks or a full live concert. As to phil as there is nearly nothing more available except these home demos that one can obviously listen to at YouTube and that sound horrible I’m satisfied with what is on the reissues.

  96. New covers?…put them in the inside, in the booklets…these are not re-recordings!!!
    “New” demos…but don’t include the released ones?
    In the Air Tonight 7” and 1988, released, no matter good or bad, should have been here.

    Boths Sides misses a lot of b-sides and versions

  98. Wow… Some strong opinions about this one.

    Personally, while I dig the whole “Take a Look at Me Now” concept, the execution is a little weird, at least from what’s on display here.

    First, wouldn’t it make more sense to COMPLETE the studio recordings before you start throwing the “development” of the songs live into the mix? That would mean including all B-Sides, demos, extended mixes, and THEN going into the live arena to show how things continued to develop from the earliest stages on through various releases and then multiple tours. I may be well off-base here, but if you gave this the Suede or Jesus & Mary Chain 3 disc treatment, you could easily accomplish that and I highly doubt it would drive up production costs by such a sizeable amount to hurt sales.

    Second, I really hope the original album covers are in there somewhere IN ADDITION TO these updated photos. It’s a neat concept, but it’s kind of meaningless without the original image acting as a contrast in strict presentation terms.

    While I’d like to dive more into these albums as I only really have any familiarity with Face Value, there’s not a lot here to entice as a “complete package” versus, say, the Tears for Fears “Songs from the Big Chair” set (an album I had ZERO experience with before taking the plunge on the set) which gave me all I could want and THEN some.

    If the price is right, I don’t think I’d join the chorus of voices calling this an insult to fans or anything like that, but it does leave more than a little something to be desired.

  101. I was among the first to cry foul over the missing mixes and b-sides, but really, Face Value fares pretty well. Both Sides, not so much. From what I can tell, here’s what’s missing:

    FACE VALUE
    *In the Air Tonight (Single Version w/ added drums)
    *In the Air Tonight (88 Remix by Collins/Padgham)
    *In the Air Tonight (88 Extended Version by Ben Liebrand)
    *”Drawing Board” demos x3
    The remixes are from 88 so perhaps not appropriate for this release. Collins and the record company probably thought that the 10 unreleased tracks would offset these omissions.

    BOTH SIDES
    *Both Sides of the Story (Radio Edit)
    *Both Sides of the Demo
    *Rad Dudeski
    *Always (Live)
    *Don’t Call Me Ashley
    *Doesn’t Anybody Stay Together Anymore (Live)
    *Everyday (Radio Edit)
    *Everyday (Demo)
    *Stevie’s Blues
    *For a Friend
    *We Wait and We Wonder (Radio Edit)
    So yeah, three or four big omissions here after you take out the radio edits and demos.

  102. I like the new covers. I do not really like the live stuff but I do like the Genesis related demos which started off as Phil solo songs. Looking f/w to those demos.
    Am hoping for some good booklets as well with new interviews and/or information.

  103. I have no problem with PC including live tracks as part of the bonus content.

    What I DO have a problem with is the omission of previously released b-sides or remixes.

    And yes, I am well aware there were no 12″ mixes from the Face Value – but there was the In The Air 7″ that could have/should have been included – if only for completeness and the fact that it was the first thing he ever released as a solo artist.

    And why no 5.1?

    1. And not to forget the ’88 version of In The Air Tonight as well as the two re-arranged songs from the “Secret Policeman’s Other Ball” and the various missing demo’s and instrumentals (Against All Odds)….what a let down….will be on Amazon.com for $7 or $8 soon….horrific reissues.

  104. Front covers don’t suggest remasters but re-recorded albums. This looks like a whole concept. With such covers I expect 2015 takes on the songs…

  106. Honestly, what is missing here?

    Yes, the “Drawing Board” demos would’ve been cool to listen to…once or twice.

    There were NO b-sides that people keep complaining about from Face Value, and 12 inch mixes? Ugh. Personally, I could care less about those and you can find them easily on various sites.

    I think for fans of 5.1 it is disappointing but aside from that, these pretty much have what you’d expect although the live tracks are not thrilling beyond one listen.

  107. Being a fan of his work like the rest was looking forward to the releases alas not to be. It can be a blessing these sort of re-releases depending on the artist.

    Mr Collins has followed his ex-colleague in shunning some of his own musical legacy, like others I dread the lack of depth in the upcoming re-releases.

    Examples have been given where by artists like King Crimson, Yes and XTC have pretty much blown the competition out of the water in allowing their fans to access their back catalogue, I for one will looking forward to those artists releasing their products in the next month.

  108. The price on Amazon is as laughable as this reissue/remaster campaign.

    Message to Phil: Include the 5.1 that apparently exist, double the price and I would buy it!

  109. As others have noted, there aren’t really any “extended mixes” associated with these two albums, unless you include the 1988 Ben Liebrand extended version of “In the Air Tonight” and also the alternate single version, already mentioned. Those should definitely be included!

    Both Sides is missing quite a few b-sides and some radio edits, but again, no extended versions were associated with this album.

    However, the press release makes it sound like future reissues will also focus on live material, which means the numerous extended versions from No Jacket Required might be missing. That would be a shame, but then again, the 12″ers compilation is easily available.

    I think artists like Phil and Peter Gabriel think they’re doing us a favor by putting “previously unreleased” live songs on these reissues. What they don’t understand is that we WANT the previously released stuff–we’re more than happy to re-buy all those extended versions and b-sides. :)

  110. @chris
    “Against All Odds” was written in 1981 for “Face Value” but left off the album. At nearly 48 minutes, the running time of that record already substantially exceeded the recommended standard for vinyl mastering. (Its 1981 release preceded the CD format.) The song was reworked several years later for the movie soundtrack.

  111. I think only completists really care about remixes as they are usually nothing to do with the artist at all. Generally they are overlong and repetitive versions of the singles that we can all do without. B sides however give you a real flavour of the other tracks that were once considered for the album and are something I find fascinating especially when the artist is at a creative peak. It’s a shame the Bsides are missing here. Does anyone have an idea of the names of the tracks we are missing out on here?

  113. As a graphic designer I can professionally echo the comments of other – Brilliant cover concepts!

    I’m not a Collins fan (I could probably compile a short album’s worth of tracks I like if pushed – Against All Odds, In the Air…..and I’m already struggling! :-) so other than saying Live tracks generally suck (Alphaville’s Stark Naked being the honorable exception that immediately springs to mind) I’ll leave the debate to the experts.

  114. I have two comments.

    1) I really don’t care about remixes. I think they’re the worst kind of extra, usually consisting of additional running time, horrible beats, and other such nonsense that don’t add to the song in any real artistic way. I can appreciate completists might like them – but even though I consider myself something of a completist, I draw the line at things created more as a marketing exercise.

    2) Gas there ever been a case where the artist has been the best person to curate their collection? Participation can be key, but for most of the – for want of a better word – grunt work, I think a third-party is better suited. They tend to be more impartial, and often seem to have a better understanding of what the fan wants (albeit my comment regarding remixes, which some curators seem to favor).

    I mean, who sanctioned the new cover art? Of course Collins is older, but seriously, WTF?

  115. Wouldn’t it be great (tho unlikely) if Phil DID take note of these responses? Wouldn’t it have been even better if he’d asked Mr Sinclair to help curate these efforts…it seems a good ‘deluxe’, whilst not rocket science is a fine art…if only they’d listen to the fans!

  116. Have got to say, not putting the 12″ and single mixes in the packages is a missed opportunity. Yes, some may sound dated but most people will buy these as they had the original cassette or LP and want to be nostalgic and remember those times. A pity.

  117. Paul seriously you should have compiled these re-issues they would have been so good and complete i’m sure…Virtually everyone here who has commented is in total agreement that these releases are a major disappointment…why can’t they ask the fans what they want? You know why because they are selfish and don’t give a damn and mr.collins too is not really in touch with his fans by putting on all these live versions…hello record company WE DON’T WANT LIVE TRACKS ON THESE RE-ISSUES OK? your not listening and as your not we are not buying any of these so in turn you will lose money all your fault…maybe you will learn from this….Paul please send all these comments to the record company and they will see how we feel and how disappointed we all are.

    1. In light of the facts that (1) there were never any remixes of the songs on “Face Value”; (2) other than the three demos Paul mentions, the b-sides of the singles were album tracks; (3) the only single a-side in a different mix was done by Collins under pressure from his record company, and is notoriously inferior to the album version; and (4) Collins did not perform live on TV or radio, or tour following the album’s release: what do you suggest be included on the bonus disc?

  118. Why do people complaining about the “missing 12″ remixes” when there AREN’T ANY?!

    It’s like some of you are assuming there are remixes of every single 80s track when you aren’t even Phil Collins fans in the first place, and can’t wait to slag it off!

    1. Exactly right. There are NO 12” remixes from the “Face Value” era. I’ve been hoping someone more knowledgeable than me would suggest other relevant material for inclusion on that reissue, but all I see in this thread is pointless complaining about “failure” to include tracks that do not exist.

      1. Well you could include the 1988 remix of “In The Air Tonight” that was released – not strictly from that era but worthy of inclusion – it made #4 on the UK charts.

  119. I hope Nick Davies will reads all the negatives messages on here and get to back to Phil with it to make some changes to make us fans buy it. He promised us nice things in the previous post.

  120. Arhhh!! I don’t want to beat a dead horse here, but great album art concept… horrible track listing!! Since he is working with Nick Davis again on this reissue, both him and Phil should be well aware of the treasure trove (both audio and visual) that the Genesis 2007 Reissue campaign ensued. And the fact that is was released in HiRes formats (DVD-A and SACD) was epic! The reality that these solo reissues do neither prompts me to say “Hello, I Must Be Going”, and Mr. Collins should now be thinking “I Missed Again”!!

    I can only hope that there will be some sort of box set once all this madness is thru. Something that better represents what the fans really want! For example: The two Genesis Archives boxsets. I hope these comments are read early on by the right people and swift adjustments are made.

    Mr. Collins I am still a HUGE fan, nonetheless, I’m just very disappointed in the proposed product campaign.

  121. Please, Warner Music, take these reissues back to the “drawing board”(reference & pun intended!) for a re-think. Don’t ignore this backlash from the fans.
    Phil Collins is an artist who was tremendously popular, over- saturated the public with his music, then suddenly fell from favor(not unlike Peter Frampton, Donovan & Twisted Sister).
    Though Collins is retired(and therefore not on the comeback trail), his back catalog IS on the comeback trail. Alienating the people who still do like his music will damage this catalogue re-launch. This catalog “comeback” will be ending before it even starts.
    Warner Music apparently paid big money for a new license for Collins’ catalog(including the UK rights that they never previously had), only to have Collins deliver far less than what was possible. Warner Music has been conned. They’ve been had. And the remaining fans that Collins has have been let down.

  123. Paul, you should forward the link to this thread straight over to the PR of the record company… Looks like Phil and Peter Gabriel got into a competition about who could create the most disappointment for their fans.. .. Pete’s probably still winning, but Phil had made an outstanding start!

    1. Just for the record not ALL of Peter Gabriel’s fans were disappointed with the So 25 box. If you were disappointed then perhaps you should personally make your point to his management. Don’t presume a few detractors on this site speak for the masses.

      I’m not a PC fan beyond one or two of his albums and of course his 70s Genesis work, but I would have bought FV – I may still – but the omission of the Drawing Board demos is odd to say the least.

  124. Wow…just wow….as in “wow, what a wasted opportunity / HUGE disappointment”. I guess I’m expressing the same sentiments as everyone else here. Let’s be honest, what live version of a Phil Collins song haven’t we heard? I mean, really.

    So, with the Face Value reissue, the demos we get are:

    “The Roof Is Leaking”, “This Must Be Love”, “Please Don’t Ask”, “Misunderstanding” and“Against All Odds” (which doesn’t even fit in with the period the album came out).

    But we don’t get: In The Air Tonight, I Missed Again and If Leaving Me Is Easy (which Paul already mentioned).

    Geez…ditch the live tracks and replaced them with the Drawing Board demos! I’m sure there are other demos from this period he could have included…..heck, why not make the second CD the album in demo form?

    As for the Both Sides reissue…..not impressed.

    1. Actually Chris, PC has always attributed “Against All Odds” to the Face Value period; supposedly the original sketch was dusted off when he was asked to contribute a piece to the titular film a few years later.

    2. “Against All Odds” was written in 1981 for “Face Value” but left off the album. At nearly 48 minutes, the running time of that record already substantially exceeded the recommended standard for vinyl mastering. (Its 1981 release preceded the CD format.) The song was reworked several years later for the movie soundtrack.

  126. I’m gutted since he’s one of my favourite artists, but I will not get this, I hope the track lists changes to include all the related b-sides, remixes…but I’m not holding my breath, just my money so I can spend it somewhere else!
    The covers are a great idea though, excellent concept!

  127. About the “Face Value” reissue:

    Apart from the three demos on the flipside of “If Leaving Me Is Easy,” the singles from that album featured no otherwise unavailable b-sides, just album tracks. The initial single version of “In the Air Tonight” features additional drums on the verses, which Collins added against his better judgment at the insistence of Ahmet Ertegun, the head of his record label. If you want to hear that version, it’s all over youtube, but you’ll find that those drums significantly detract from the tension that makes the song so special, and give its famous break such dramatic impact. It’s easy to see why that version is omitted from the reissue.

    It is a pity that the three previously released demos are being omitted, along with the much-bootlegged demo of “Tomorrow Never Knows,” especially since there would be plenty of room for them on the first cd. On the other hand, I’d much rather hear a high-fidelity version of the demo of Collins’ most beautiful and personal song, “Please Don’t Ask.” There’s an instrumental demo of “Against All Odds” out there in bootleg land that avoids the overblown production of the hit version, and it would be nice to have a clean recording of that available (and even better if a version with vocals emerged).

    Collins did not tour after “Face Value.” His appearance on TOTP was lip synched. He did perform “In The Air Tonight” and “The Roof is Leaking,” in gorgeous arrangements for just piano and guitar/banjo, at a benefit show for Amnesty International. Those songs were released on the “Secret Policeman’s Other Ball” album and video. Since those records continue to be released periodically and bring in money for the charity, it won’t be surprising if they are omitted, even though they’d make a great addition to this set.

    Collins’ first solo tour, for the following lp “Hello I Must Be Going” in 1982, featured a number of songs from the first album, played by an excellent, energetic band. However, the arrangements were near duplicates of the studio versions of the songs, erring on the side of precision and professionalism. (But who am I to say? Collins became a superstar.) Still, the decision to include bonus live recordings from different eras highlighting changes to the songs sounds like a good idea to me.

    1. I DISPISED the 45″ version when I first heard it on the radio. I never knew it was Ertegan’s doing. But I guess an argument could be made that it never would have made the Top 40 at the time without the different mix.

      1. Sorry I have to disagree.
        The single of In The Air was a big hit and brought Phil to the attention of many new fans .
        I was at the time a big Genisis fan and couldnt beleive he was having so much sucsess , but it was that single version that started it all .

        1. It may depend on your location. In Los Angeles where I lived at the time, the album version was the one that received airplay, and that is the one that has continued to receive airplay on classic rock stations around the US all these years later.

  128. It seems a lot of people are really upset about this. Perhaps Phil Collins will hear the discontent. I tend not to like live albums, so live material does not interest me in the least. I have that 45 with the three bonus demos and the original “Face Value” vinyl. This one is just not for me.

  129. I ve been searching on discogs and it s “only” missing two songs, there was no remixes and only two demos and one live song on the b sides. All included here I believe

    1. They could have included the 88 version of In The Air Tonight. Also as mentioned 3 demos are also missing from Face Value, so not sure where your ‘two’ comes from :)

  131. Only 2CD releases? Poeh, that’s really thin. Phil once explained that many fans had asked him to release a Both Sides concert on DVD. He acknowledged the idea but there was not a real fit at the time for a release. This would have been the perfect moment so absolutely a missed opportunity.
    A general problem with all these deluxe editions is that artists (and most often the record company) have no clue what the audience actually expects from such a release. Take Peter Gabriel’s So deluxe……..same hastle.

  134. I’m actually a big fan of demos, but I like B-sides and remixes more. Was only planning on buying Face Value and Hello anyways, but I think I will likely skip these entirely, and just buy the demos as downloads.

  135. Well, being a Phil Phanatic, I shall be getting these no matter what, but I must confess deep disappointment that there isn’t an SDE option. I had, perhaps naively, assumed that this reissue’s campaign was going to be similar to Pink Floyd’s and that there would be an SDE option for the major albums, which in Phil’s case would have been the first four. Granted, I can understand that there isn’t a vast amount of ancilliary material for FV, but there certainly wasn’t for NJR and BS. Shame, really, as I would have loved big box-sets of the 80’s output more than anything. Still, this is better than nothing at all.

  136. While I agree with the reigning sentiment in general about the content, it’s fair to point out that I don’t think there were any official remixes of any tracks from either of these rofficial to include.

      1. That Ben Liebrand mix was terrible. Just additional percussion and noise over the original track. He did that a lot. I don’t think he had access to the multi-tracks.

  137. No ta! And if I were to buy any of these at some point because I’d read the remastering was superb then I’d want the original artwork thanks…

  138. I had higher expectations. Not being familiar with either of these albums I figured now might be the time to dive in, but the waters seem shallow. I don’t mind live tracks but no remixes? Demos are always interesting. I’ll probably only pick these up if there’s a really good sale…

  139. I, too, have been looking forward to these releases with great anticipation. What a letdown. I was really hoping that he would release 5.1 deluxe editions. Looks like I’ll go ahead and put my money toward the Yes reissues.

  140. The extras on face value are interesting as they mix some Genesis and Brand X stuff. I do feel Phil does get a rough ride. His work with Genesis as drummer and vocalist was superb. As drummer with Brand X, Brian Eno etc again fantastic work. His solo stuff for me got off to a great start with Face Value, but you cannot fault the fact he became a huge pop star. The music he created is what he wanted to do at the time. Not my cup of tea, but it shows the talent of the man that he became so commercially successful. I think the huge critical mauling that he got did affect him personally, which is a shame as he did so much across the musical divide. His achievements have to be lauded.

  142. Liked the albums when they came out,all the single releases came with B sides and there were 12″ mix’s,remix’s so whats with all the ” live” tracks,wasted opportunity,deluxe my ” a xx e”

  145. Wow, what a huge disappointment. The easiest thing to do with SDE releases is to throw a bunch of live versions on it. I want remixes and B-Sides. Take me back to that time when life was easy and care free. There is a reason why live albums always sell a lot less than studio albums. They are for people who attended the concert or are a HUGE fan of the artist. People are just not that into live stuff.

    The biggest reason for me to buy SDE’s is the remixes. A stretched out version of a song I like is a good thing in my book. Or a whole different take on a song that you like thru it’s 12″ version is a great way to give fans something extra. That’s why I was upset with the Tina Turner “Private Dancer” SDE release. They put the single versions of “We Don’t Need Another Hero” and “One Of The Living” while there was plenty of space to fit the 12″ versions on the CD. What a wasted opportunity that was.

    I do like the cover art idea but it doesn’t make up for the lack of remixes and B-Sides. I hate the Duran Duran new album cover but the music is great (IMHO) so I’m still getting it. Sorry Phil, I hope you change your mind after seeing the massive thumbs down on this website. If not, I will not be getting these reissues.

  146. Very sad.

    Like many others, I’ve spent many years wondering when there’d be remasters of his albums. This could have been so awesome.

    Well, I have the 12″ers CD and some of his other remixes on compilations, I have some maxi CDs from the time with some very cool b-sides (“Rad Dudeski” for instance is a cool instrumental), but oh man, what could have been!

    What really pains me is the omission of the 5.1 mixes. They exist. All they would’ve needed to do was include them.

    What a shame. Real shame.

    1. Hardly seems like a complete collection with b-sides and 12″ mixes missing. I really don’t care about demos or live tracks. I thought it was reported here there would be 5.1 mixes. That would be my main reason for buying these. Until then I still have the lps to play.

  147. What a big disappointment!!
    I think live versions are very good for a DVD – but not for a CD.
    The best b-sides are missing, only a few demos, no remixes.
    I don’t like the contents of the “Deluxe Editions” and I can imagine
    how the “No Jacket Required” re-release will be. Arggh!
    This “Deluxe Editions” should re-named in “Live Editions”.
    NO “Deluxe” is here to find.

  148. A complete wasted opportunity of b-sides and demos etc, this is just selfish on Collins part we all don’t want live versions from different era’s we want b-sides, outakes, demos, 12″ mixes…if you want us to have these so called evolved versions then make it 2 seperate sets and we can choose to buy it if we want to…most of us don’t….oh dear a BIG HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT !! Only the new updated covers are a good idea.

  149. Sorry, I want sets like this to include everything released at the time – b-sides, remixes, etc. Demos and live tracks are filler from my POV. A skip for me.

    This is why I want someone else than the artist to curate such releases.

    1. totally agree Mark. with re-issues I want the original album
      and any b-sides from the vinyl at the time collected together
      on cd in one place. like the recent Bucks Fizz re-issues.
      once that is covered THEN add demos and anything else
      to fill up space. it’s just a shame that so many period remixes
      never end up on re-issues.

  151. I´m delighted with this reissue as it’s going to save me a shed-load of money. I won’t be buying these two! I assume a similar travesty will eventually befall the other PC re-releases. There’s no doubt in my mind that his back catalogue, particularly the early stuff, needs remastering, but it looks like an opportunity might well have been wasted here. What I’d really like to see is a comprehensive ‘Best of’ stretching to 2, if not 3 CDs, covering his entire solo recording career. (From the new artwork though I would surmise that at least one of the man’s vices is not vanity).

  152. Oh dear. Not a fan of live tracks, would have really liked to see “period” remixes and alternative versions, even remixes or re-recordings made recently, instead. Inspired artwork for the covers, uninspired track listings… is my opinion.

  153. Big fat no from me. The demos are kinda interesting but I’m rarely interested in live versions of anyone and would far prefer the original era 12″ versions and b-sides on sets like these. I’m all for artists curating their own work but in order to make this a real commercial success surely there has to be a big element of ‘giving the people what they want’ even if the artist concerned doesn’t like some of it!

  155. I for one am very happy. All I have wanted for years now is a simple remastered edition of Face Value. Here we have not only a remastered edition of FV and Both Sides, but personally curated remasters and extras from Phil himself! There isnt enough live Phil on CD so I welcome the live tracks. As for the demos, I cant wait to hear them.

    Only gripe here is that I wish a visual disc could have been made; the Classic Album doc for Face Value, the 1995 live Both Sides tour, music videos and maybe Genesis-esque interviews with Phil and key players?

    Maybe that will come…

  156. Great covers…inspired idea. Content is very piecemeal. Dont know about anyone else but if artists release live tracks, put them out on a live album which gives them some context and continuity. Putting a few dotted around on second discs (like Mr Kershaw on his recent deluxe editions) inbetween various demo’s and b-sides like this is just annoying…

  157. I’m Gonna skip on this … and i spend my money on new boxes of: The Jam, David Bowie, Velvet Underground, YES, Small Faces, Lloyd Cole, Paul Young.

    Richard

  159. Not impressed with the tracklistings really. It’s taken this long to reissue his solo catalogue and they’ve missed a chance to gather everything together. Shame.

  160. Could anyone have guessed it was impossible to make a deluxe edition worst than Peter Gabriel ‘So’?
    Well, now we know someone did manage to lower the bar.
    What a bad way to present the albums, no b-sides, no remixes, only live versions possibly (probably) not from the same concerts era.
    More money saved for me, at least.

    1. Agree about So, but Peter Gabriel has done better with his first four albums, which are high quality vinyl pressings plus high res downloads at a reasonable privpce (all four as abundle costs less than the So box).

      Yes, 5.1 mixes would be the logical next step making the original albums attractive to established fans. I’m not buying these Phil. Reiisues. I recall that by the end of the eighties Face Value was the most popular record in charity shops. Second Hand record shops refused to accept copies as they were so hard to shift. Can’t say that a new cover is going to make the vinyl any more attractive.

  161. The only thing i like are the updated cover artworks with the now 64 year old Collins. The tracklisting is not that great. I was hoping for the Drawing Board demo’s like many fans did. I was planning on buying them but now i will skip those.

  162. Disappointed. The covers are a great idea. But no remixes? Why live tracks. This really lacks imagination and Care IMO. I dread to think whats going to happen with No Jacket Required….

  163. Since Phil has never wanted to reissue his catalogue, the fact that we are getting something is nice. However……like most people I was hoping for a big Deluxe package with b-sides, demos, complete concerts, 5.1 surround. The works. I assumed he would do all of his in one shot. With rumours of 5.1 mixes coming later, it looks like this will all come out in pieces. If so, it would be nice to know what will be coming out so that consumers can decide now on what to spend their money. Being a Genesis fan has never been easy, and this is just the latest example of the frustration. I do like the idea of the box sets for the CDs and Vinyl. That is a nice touch.

    1. You said it, Thom. I’ve always positively disliked him as an artist (good drummer, though) but the new covers is a genuinely refreshing concept.

    2. I am the same, not a fan but the updated sleeves are a great idea (i think)
      Whatever is Phil thinking with these releases, surely someone must have advised him that it is a bad idea?
      ps are you the Thom who frequents the Steve Hoffman forums? If so we are often on the same threads.

    1. The cover picture of Face Value scared me. It’s like Peter Gabriel’s Melt cover.
      The content seriously disappoints me. I’ve heard and bought a couple good 12″ versions of In the Air Tonight that should be on here. More demos. More B sides. Less live tracks. Phil’s released plenty of live albums. Why not a good 5.1 mix? Blu-Ray Audio? The great making of doc.

  169. Paul, what a dissapointement!!!.
    No SDE. Only a few extras. I can’t believe Phil was really into the selection.
    I used to think that he was a generous artist.
    I know that he didn’t tour the FV album, but he could put a DVD/BR of the both sides tour (I saw him in Buenos Aires in 1995).
    I hope for futher news including Deluxe Editions, including Drawing Board, at least.

  170. Dang… I don’t like the track listings at all. No remixes and no b-sides, I probably won’t get these. Packing deluxe editions with live versions from different eras seems like the laziest possible approach. The more this happens, the more I realize that many artists really aren’t fans of the 12-inch mixes they released back in the day, and they have no interest in revisiting them. I’m talkin to you, Peter Gabriel.

    I will say this… those “old Phil” album covers are a really cool idea, but they also freak me out a little bit, esp. the Face Value one. Whoah!

    1. Agreed, luckily the original albums sound really good so these are unnecessary from a remastering perspective. All he’s doing is encouraging illegal downloads which is sad. So few bands and artists these days give fans what they really want with their reissues. I really don’t understand it.

    2. I Agree, don’t think i’ll be buying these for that fact, no remixes, b sides etc….no doubt no lyrics for all songs too…what’s the point in putting different live tracks from different eras? really bad idea…if anything release live tracks as a bonus when people purchase complete set of albums

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